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search-engines: delist startpage #1410

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Mikaela commented 2019-10-15 21:17:02 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Resolves: #1409

Preview: https://deploy-preview-1410--privacytools-io.netlify.com/providers/search-engines/#search

Resolves: #1409 Preview: https://deploy-preview-1410--privacytools-io.netlify.com/providers/search-engines/#search
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blacklight447 (Migrated from github.com) reviewed 2019-10-15 21:17:02 +00:00
netlify[bot] commented 2019-10-15 21:17:44 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Deploy preview for privacytools-io ready!

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Deploy preview for *privacytools-io* ready! Built with commit 79dc3f46764464782ffe86676b22b3f7a2ebc3cc https://deploy-preview-1410--privacytools-io.netlify.com
Mikaela commented 2019-10-17 21:53:39 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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In case anyone finds here, but not the discussion, it's in two places https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/1409#issuecomment-542506807 and our forum before the WIP (don't merge/PR) label gets removed and anything happens with this PR.

With luck I think we may even be able to close this issue and not delist Startpage, but it's too early to say.

In case anyone finds here, but not the discussion, it's in two places https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/1409#issuecomment-542506807 and [our forum](https://forum.privacytools.io/t/candidate-for-delisting-discussion-startpage/284/6?u=mikaela) before the WIP (don't merge/PR) label gets removed and anything happens with this PR. With luck I think we may even be able to close this issue and not delist Startpage, but it's too early to say.
djoate (Migrated from github.com) reviewed 2019-10-26 21:51:37 +00:00
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{% include cardv2.html
title="DuckDuckGo - USA"
image="/assets/img/provider/DuckDuckGo.png"
djoate (Migrated from github.com) commented 2019-10-26 21:51:37 +00:00

If we end up delisting StartPage, we should also remove the asset (https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/blob/master/assets/img/provider/StartPage.png)

If we end up delisting StartPage, we should also remove the asset (https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/blob/master/assets/img/provider/StartPage.png)
Mikaela (Migrated from github.com) reviewed 2019-10-27 16:35:36 +00:00
_includes/sections/search-engines.html
@@ -24,4 +17,3 @@
{% include cardv2.html
title="DuckDuckGo - USA"
image="/assets/img/provider/DuckDuckGo.png"
Mikaela (Migrated from github.com) commented 2019-10-27 16:35:36 +00:00

Thanks, done

Thanks, done
Mikaela commented 2019-10-27 16:39:32 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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I also fixed the merge conflict and removed the WIP label, even while I am not sure if a concensus was reached, I am ~10 days behind on everything.

I also fixed the merge conflict and removed the WIP label, even while I am not sure if a concensus was reached, I am ~10 days behind on everything.
nitrohorse (Migrated from github.com) reviewed 2019-10-27 16:42:48 +00:00
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Mikaela commented 2019-11-10 12:59:35 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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@privacytoolsIO/editorial Can we merge this? Or does @blacklight447-ptio want to suggest changes to add a note to explain the situation?

CC: @LizMcIntyre

@privacytoolsIO/editorial Can we merge this? Or does @blacklight447-ptio want to suggest changes to add a note to explain the situation? CC: @LizMcIntyre
LizMcIntyre commented 2019-11-10 18:49:43 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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@privacytoolsIO/editorial Can we merge this? Or does @blacklight447-ptio want to suggest changes to add a note to explain the situation?

CC: @LizMcIntyre

Hi @Mikaela @blacklight447-ptio I believe something should be posted to note the removal. I'm thinking a short comment is best. Here's the latest I recommended in the discussion thread:

The Startpage search engine is de-listed until it is fully transparent about its new ownership and data processing.

People can click the link to get the details.

I believe that once PrivacytoolsIO recommends a service, it should indicate that a service is removed and why it is removed. This will help alert those who use a recommended service that has lost trust. How else might they know?

A press release and other media might also be a good idea because some people might not return to see a warning.

> @privacytoolsIO/editorial Can we merge this? Or does @blacklight447-ptio want to suggest changes to add a note to explain the situation? > > CC: @LizMcIntyre Hi @Mikaela @blacklight447-ptio I believe *something* should be posted to note the removal. I'm thinking a short comment is best. Here's the latest I recommended in the discussion thread: **The Startpage search engine is de-listed until it is fully transparent about its [new ownership](https://www.reddit.com/r/StartpageSearch/comments/dicp03/startpage_is_now_owned_by_an_advertising_company/) and data processing.** People can click the link to get the details. I believe that once PrivacytoolsIO recommends a service, it should indicate that a service is removed and why it is removed. This will help alert those who use a recommended service that has lost trust. How else might they know? A press release and other media might also be a good idea because some people might not return to see a warning.
Mikaela commented 2019-11-10 19:57:45 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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@privacytoolsIO/editorial & @LizMcIntyre, please rereview changes at https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/pull/1410/files + consider can we merge it.

I have no comment on the rest at the moment.

@privacytoolsIO/editorial & @LizMcIntyre, please rereview changes at https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/pull/1410/files + consider can we merge it. I have no comment on the rest at the moment.
djoate (Migrated from github.com) requested changes 2019-11-10 23:26:59 +00:00
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Also, I think it would look better if the warning text wasn't in the middle of the cards but rather at the bottom of the cards

Also, I think it would look better if the warning text wasn't in the middle of the cards but rather at the bottom of the cards
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djoate (Migrated from github.com) commented 2019-11-10 23:25:17 +00:00 
<p><strong>The Startpage search engine is delisted until it is fully transparent about <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/StartpageSearch/comments/dicp03/startpage_is_now_owned_by_an_advertising_company/">its new ownership</a> and data processing.</strong></p>
```suggestion <p><strong>The Startpage search engine is delisted until it is fully transparent about <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/StartpageSearch/comments/dicp03/startpage_is_now_owned_by_an_advertising_company/">its new ownership</a> and data processing.</strong></p> ```
nitrohorse (Migrated from github.com) reviewed 2019-11-11 00:20:01 +00:00
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nitrohorse (Migrated from github.com) commented 2019-11-11 00:20:01 +00:00

Yeah, I agree; the warning in the middle does look a bit odd.

Yeah, I agree; the warning in the middle does look a bit odd.
blacklight447 commented 2019-11-11 05:57:46 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Tbh, do we want the post delisting on the website now? It goes a bit against what we normally do, i would personally opt to just remove it, and put out a small blog post.

Tbh, do we want the post delisting on the website now? It goes a bit against what we normally do, i would personally opt to just remove it, and put out a small blog post.
nitrohorse commented 2019-11-11 06:30:10 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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You’re right, that would make more sense overall I think.

You’re right, that would make more sense overall I think.
Mikaela commented 2019-11-11 09:27:42 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Trai comments:

Mikaela, if we make an announcement out of it, let's also include the r/PTIO post that Liz referenced in your linked pull request: https://www.reddit.com/r/StartpageSearch/comments/dicp03/startpage_is_now_owned_by_an_advertising_company/
It's more informative, and includes links to other posts that include SP's response (such as it is).
It'll let readers go as deep as they'd like to go.

So should I:

Trai comments: > Mikaela, if we make an announcement out of it, let's also include the r/PTIO post that Liz referenced in your linked pull request: https://www.reddit.com/r/StartpageSearch/comments/dicp03/startpage_is_now_owned_by_an_advertising_company/ It's more informative, and includes links to other posts that include SP's response (such as it is). It'll let readers go as deep as they'd like to go. So should I: * revert https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/pull/1410/commits/ff5ef961f1fb4ce34948ea046d85358c1e3ad6fe ? * move the warning to bottom and add link to Privacytools subreddit?
blacklight447 commented 2019-11-11 10:15:29 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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I would just remove startpage, add nothing else, then publish a blog explaining the removal.

I would just remove startpage, add nothing else, then publish a blog explaining the removal.
LizMcIntyre commented 2019-11-11 15:02:56 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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I would just remove startpage, add nothing else, then publish a blog explaining the removal.

That could work, too. Less disruptive to the flow and tradition, as pointed out.

> I would just remove startpage, add nothing else, then publish a blog explaining the removal. That could work, too. Less disruptive to the flow and tradition, as pointed out.
nitrohorse (Migrated from github.com) approved these changes 2019-11-11 17:19:50 +00:00
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https://blog.privacytools.io/delisting-startpage/

https://blog.privacytools.io/delisting-startpage/
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Reference: privacyguides/privacytools.io#1410