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❌ Software Removal | ProtonMail #2425

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opened 2021-09-09 23:54:14 +00:00 by papercore-dev · 8 comments
papercore-dev commented 2021-09-09 23:54:14 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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I think that protonmail should be delisted, mainly due to browser fingerprint and IP address being sent to Swiss police.

Why I am making the suggestion

  • They broke their promise (left : before sending info to police / right : after sending info to police) -> Here
  • People mention it as large scam scene.
  • Representative said that true privacy is only possible in Tor and their privacy isn't secure after sending info to police.
  • They proved these in this newsletter : here

My connection with the software

I was using ProtonMail and ProtonVPN for almost 2 years. I strongly recommended this service to my friends and it was once flawless but I saw this news and therefore I request software removal.

  • I will keep the issue up-to-date if something I have said changes or I remember a connection with the software.
## Description I think that protonmail should be delisted, mainly due to browser fingerprint and IP address being sent to Swiss police. ## Why I am making the suggestion - They broke their promise (left : before sending info to police / right : after sending info to police) [-> Here](https://i.imgur.com/BVx97Vk.png) - People mention it as large scam scene. - Representative said that true privacy is only possible in Tor and their privacy isn't secure after sending info to police. - They proved these in this newsletter : [here](https://protonmail.com/blog/climate-activist-arrest/) ## My connection with the software <!-- Are you the author? Competitor? Just hating the software with passsion for some reason? --> I was using ProtonMail and ProtonVPN for almost 2 years. I strongly recommended this service to my friends and it was once flawless but I saw this news and therefore I request software removal. - [x] I will keep the issue up-to-date if something I have said changes or I remember a connection with the software.
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infinitewaveparticle commented 2021-09-10 08:29:51 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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VPN services are treated differently under Swiss law and are not required to log any info and thus can't be forced by the courts to turn anything over. Your gripe with ProtonMail is legitimate though. I think they should move to a country that has privacy-friendly laws.

VPN services are treated differently under Swiss law and are not required to log any info and thus can't be forced by the courts to turn anything over. Your gripe with ProtonMail is legitimate though. I think they should move to a country that has privacy-friendly laws.
katzeprior commented 2021-09-10 20:08:29 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Maybe give the source of your claim?

https://protonmail.com/blog/climate-activist-arrest/

Maybe give the source of your claim? https://protonmail.com/blog/climate-activist-arrest/
papercore-dev commented 2021-09-11 05:04:52 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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VPN services are treated differently under Swiss law and are not required to log any info and thus can't be forced by the courts to turn anything over. Your gripe with ProtonMail is legitimate though. I think they should move to a country that has privacy-friendly laws.

Updated to ProtonVPN -> ProtonMail.

> VPN services are treated differently under Swiss law and are not required to log any info and thus can't be forced by the courts to turn anything over. Your gripe with ProtonMail is legitimate though. I think they should move to a country that has privacy-friendly laws. Updated to ProtonVPN -> ProtonMail.
papercore-dev commented 2021-09-11 05:05:04 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Maybe give the source of your claim?

https://protonmail.com/blog/climate-activist-arrest/

Thanks.

> Maybe give the source of your claim? > > https://protonmail.com/blog/climate-activist-arrest/ Thanks.
youdontneedtoknow22 commented 2021-09-11 05:32:19 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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What Promises did they break?
It's mentioned in a 2014 blog post, which I read before creating my first account:

The Internet is generally not anonymous, and if you are breaking Swiss law, a law-abiding company such as ProtonMail can be legally compelled to log your IP address

And it's even in your picture where they state: We have an anonymous email gateway. Well, that guy didn't use THE ANONYMOUS EMAIL GATEWAY and broke the french law and according to Switzerland he broke the swiss law, what do you think can Protonmail do for him?

What Promises did they break? It's mentioned in a 2014 blog post, which I read before creating my first account: > The Internet is generally not anonymous, and if you are breaking Swiss law, a law-abiding company such as ProtonMail can be legally compelled to log your IP address And it's even in your picture where they state: We have an anonymous email gateway. Well, that guy didn't use THE ANONYMOUS EMAIL GATEWAY and broke the french law and according to Switzerland he broke the swiss law, what do you think can Protonmail do for him?
katzeprior commented 2021-09-11 08:19:35 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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I agree that protonmail did nothing wrong and is still one of the best options out there. Swiss laws are one of the best for an email provider.

I agree that protonmail did nothing wrong and is still one of the best options out there. Swiss laws are one of the best for an email provider.
dngray commented 2021-09-12 03:46:48 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Not going to happen, basically we don't know enough about the nature of this person's offenses yet. Protonmail clearly state they can be compelled to do IP logging, and if we removed a provider for this we'd have to remove all of them.

Not going to happen, basically we don't know enough about the nature of this person's offenses yet. Protonmail clearly state they can be compelled to do IP logging, and if we removed a provider for this we'd have to remove all of them.
infinitewaveparticle commented 2021-09-12 19:05:57 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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After reading their terms more closely I also agree that ProtonMail did nothing wrong... And that if it was nixed from the list for following the law, then all similar providers would have to be and we'd only be able to use services based in Antarctica or on Pluto or only ones based in tiny countries with extremely privacy-friendly laws.

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After reading their terms more closely I also agree that ProtonMail did nothing wrong... And that if it was nixed from the list for following the law, then all similar providers would have to be and we'd only be able to use services based in Antarctica or on Pluto or only ones based in tiny countries with extremely privacy-friendly laws. Sent from ProtonMail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Sep 11, 2021, 4:19 AM, Katze Prior wrote: > I agree that protonmail did nothing wrong and is still one of the best options out there. Swiss laws are one of the best for an email provider. > > — > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, [view it on GitHub](https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/issues/2425#issuecomment-917365935), or [unsubscribe](https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AG56ID47PKV2HFV5W5RT42TUBMGKFANCNFSM5DYGQYKA). > Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for [iOS](https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675) or [Android](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dnotification-email%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dgithub).
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Reference: privacyguides/privacytools.io#2425