🆕 Software Suggestion | Framasoft #1382
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Name: Framasoft
Category: A lot
URL: https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/list/
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Framasoft offer a lot of alternatives to Google, including a metasearch engine, google docs and spreadsheets, etc.
Closing in favour of https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/816 as Framasoft is discontinuing most of their services.
Original/official announcement that I haven't read in French: Déframasoftisons Internet!.
2019-10-27: I became aware of the English version at https://framablog.org/2019/09/26/lets-de-frama-tify-the-internet/ (and I am still yet to read it)
@Mikaela Most, but not all?
A quick look at the blog you yourself linked shows their intent not to 'touch':
Framadate - Doodle alternative
Framapad - Google Docs alternative
Framindmap - Bubbl.us alternative
Framagenda - Calendar
Framadrive - Google Drive alternative
Framavox - Group discussion app
Framacarte - Google Maps alternative, based on OSM
Framatalk - WhatsApp & others alternative
I could argue that some of the other services are a year or two away from closing down at the earliest and are viable alternatives until then, but I do agree with Framasoft's view - it isn't a good idea to centralize services to one provider. I will mention that we have no guarantees that one of the currently provided alternatives by PTIO won't up and disappear without a word.
Thanks for the hard work!
@roshavagarga even if their are good alternatives, if we know they will close within two years, then it wont be a good alternative in the long term. People come mostly on ptio to be sure which provider they can use as a replacement for their current provider, often as long term, if we recommend something that will close in two years, then how can they be sure that our other recommendations won't?
@blacklight447-ptio
I am not arguing that anything that's on the chopping list should be added.
I am saying that there are useful apps, that will not be removed by Framasoft, which should be up for discussion. I wasn't sure if Mikaela hadn't seen that part of the blog, etc etc. Feel free to disregard my comment at the end of my previous reply :)
Anywho, I'd like this to be reopened when possible.
Any chance this will be updated/acted upon soon @Mikaela?
It's been almost 5 months and while I understand the concept of a backlog... :/
@roshavagarga Could you open a pull request?
@Mikaela Shouldn't that be done after somebody from PTIO has researched said suggestions and given the green light for one or more of them?
@roshavagarga I am not able to do that research, please see https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/977#issuecomment-584231923 and I don't know if anyone knows what exactly needs to be researched.
Personally the only thing I can say that I have a good impression of Framasoft and am open to approving a pull request including them.
@Mikaela I said 'somebody from PTIO', not you specifically.
My expectations were that:
a) the submission is accepted and added to PTIO by its members, or;
b) the submission is accepted and a pull request has to be made by the original submission requestee.
B makes little sense since the requestee might be gone by the time the process is over and doing A or B before 2 seems like a waste of time, since if the submission request doesn't pass the checks that's wasted time for the requestee.
I don't have anything against these two, since the first is most probably stating that if you are a nazi, for example, and they don't want to provide you with their services they can, and the second one, I don't see what's wrong with hosting instances, they are the only ones who have a free Wallabag instance for people who don't know how to self host, I guess we could expect that they tell us to not use all of their services to not centralize your data but even PTio is working on it just now.