Change the Privacy? I don't have anything to hide. section #138

New Issue

2016-12-29T18:26:52Z

ghost commented

2016-12-29 18:26:52 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

While that quote is nice, I suggest adding a better "explaination". Like in @cryptoseb's paper:

The primary reason for curtains/blinds/drapes covering our windows in our house is to stop
people from being able to see in. The reason we don’t want them to see in is because we
consider much of what we do inside our homes to be private. Whether that be having dinner at
the table, watching a movie with your kids, or even engaging in intimate or sexual acts with
your partner. None of these things are illegal by any means but even knowing this, we still keep
the curtains and blinds on our windows.

While that quote is nice, I suggest adding a better "explaination". Like in @cryptoseb's paper: > The primary reason for curtains/blinds/drapes covering our windows in our house is to stop > people from being able to see in. The reason we don’t want them to see in is because we > consider much of what we do inside our homes to be private. Whether that be having dinner at > the table, watching a movie with your kids, or even engaging in intimate or sexual acts with > your partner. None of these things are illegal by any means but even knowing this, we still keep > the curtains and blinds on our windows.

👍 1

PrivacyCDN commented

2016-12-29 18:34:27 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

I like:

"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have
nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free
speech because you have nothing to say...."

From Snowden, quoted here:
https://mic.com/articles/119602/in-one-quote-edward-snowden-summed-up-why-our-privacy-is-worth-fighting-for#.Ytqxkvacq

John Wunderlich, BA, MBA

IAPP Fellow of Information Privacy
CISA, CIPM, CIPP/C, PbD Ambassador
@PrivacyCDN https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN & Privacist

On 29 December 2016 at 13:26, Samuel Shifterovich notifications@github.com
wrote:

While that quote is nice, I suggest adding a better "explaination". Like
in @cryptoseb https://github.com/cryptoseb's paper:

The primary reason for curtains/blinds/drapes covering our windows in our
house is to stop
people from being able to see in. The reason we don’t want them to see in
is because we
consider much of what we do inside our homes to be private. Whether that
be having dinner at
the table, watching a movie with your kids, or even engaging in intimate
or sexual acts with
your partner. None of these things are illegal by any means but even
knowing this, we still keep
the curtains and blinds on our windows.

—
You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.
Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub
https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/138, or mute
the thread
https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADTJ9l86b8Guez8K-WF7_dhW8wDFhTj9ks5rM_tsgaJpZM4LXwnA
.

--

This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager.
This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the
individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not
disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender
immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and
delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient
you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any
action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly
prohibited.

I like: "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say...." From Snowden, quoted here: https://mic.com/articles/119602/in-one-quote-edward-snowden-summed-up-why-our-privacy-is-worth-fighting-for#.Ytqxkvacq John Wunderlich, BA, MBA IAPP Fellow of Information Privacy CISA, CIPM, CIPP/C, PbD Ambassador @PrivacyCDN <https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN> & Privacist On 29 December 2016 at 13:26, Samuel Shifterovich <notifications@github.com> wrote: > While that quote is nice, I suggest adding a better "explaination". Like > in @cryptoseb <https://github.com/cryptoseb>'s paper: > > The primary reason for curtains/blinds/drapes covering our windows in our > house is to stop > people from being able to see in. The reason we don’t want them to see in > is because we > consider much of what we do inside our homes to be private. Whether that > be having dinner at > the table, watching a movie with your kids, or even engaging in intimate > or sexual acts with > your partner. None of these things are illegal by any means but even > knowing this, we still keep > the curtains and blinds on our windows. > > — > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/138>, or mute > the thread > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADTJ9l86b8Guez8K-WF7_dhW8wDFhTj9ks5rM_tsgaJpZM4LXwnA> > . > -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

cryptoseb commented

2016-12-29 18:41:58 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

I included the quote above in my paper because while out for coffee and trying to explain the need for privacy to a 60 some year old man, he said to me: I need privacy from people like you, not from the police. To which I responded: "Great! Don't remove your blinds from your windows then. Just set up some cameras and give the police remote access to the feeds. Make sure you keep them on when you and your wife are fighting, she is taking a bath, or you two are having sex on your birthday. They will love that!" His look was priceless. "But... that's not.. but.." Well go ahead, spit it out. The analogy is accurate. If we would openly allow a Government into our personal lives online, why not allow them into our personal lives in our home? Where is this magic line in the sand that distinguishes the two?

👍 1

ghost commented

2016-12-29 18:54:51 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

@PrivacyCDN That quote is nice, too, but it's too abstract, people can't relate to that.

PrivacyCDN commented

2016-12-29 19:04:36 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

Samuel

I take your point, although one suspects that visitors to the
privacytools.io website may not be a 'normal' sample of the population. I'd
worry more about it as troll bait because of the reference to Snowden😑

John Wunderlich, BA, MBA

IAPP Fellow of Information Privacy
CISA, CIPM, CIPP/C, PbD Ambassador
@PrivacyCDN https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN & Privacist

On 29 December 2016 at 13:54, Samuel Shifterovich notifications@github.com
wrote:

@PrivacyCDN https://github.com/PrivacyCDN That quote is very good, but
it's too abstract, people can't relate to that.

—
You are receiving this because you were mentioned.
Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub
https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/138#issuecomment-269675745,
or mute the thread
https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADTJ9nIKTKHkmfewLotnSdIigwSRUyidks5rNAH7gaJpZM4LXwnA
.

--

This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager.
This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the
individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not
disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender
immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and
delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient
you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any
action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly
prohibited.

Samuel I take your point, although one suspects that visitors to the privacytools.io website may not be a 'normal' sample of the population. I'd worry more about it as troll bait because of the reference to Snowden😑 John Wunderlich, BA, MBA IAPP Fellow of Information Privacy CISA, CIPM, CIPP/C, PbD Ambassador @PrivacyCDN <https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN> & Privacist On 29 December 2016 at 13:54, Samuel Shifterovich <notifications@github.com> wrote: > @PrivacyCDN <https://github.com/PrivacyCDN> That quote is very good, but > it's too abstract, people can't relate to that. > > — > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/138#issuecomment-269675745>, > or mute the thread > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADTJ9nIKTKHkmfewLotnSdIigwSRUyidks5rNAH7gaJpZM4LXwnA> > . > -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

ghost commented

2016-12-29 19:11:35 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

one suspects that visitors to the privacytools.io website may not be a 'normal' sample of the population

Which isn't supposed to be true.

Quoting software criteria:

Open Source

Cross-platform

Easy to use

Privacy respecting

We're trying to focus on the 'normal' sample of the population. (we're trying to focus on the entire population, per se, since we, well, recommend software and explain privacy)
I guess I don't fall into the 'normal' sample, but still can't relate to the Glenn's quote as much as to @cryptoseb's.

> one suspects that visitors to the privacytools.io website may not be a 'normal' sample of the population Which isn't supposed to be true. Quoting software criteria: > - Open Source > - Cross-platform > - **Easy to use** > - Privacy respecting We're trying to focus on the `'normal' sample of the population`. (we're trying to focus on the entire population, per se, since we, well, recommend software and explain privacy) I guess I don't fall into the `'normal'` sample, but still can't relate to the Glenn's quote as much as to @cryptoseb's.

PrivacyCDN commented

2016-12-29 19:20:17 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

I'm not disagreeing with the intent or the focus, nor do I disagree with
your assessment of the quote.

John Wunderlich, BA, MBA

IAPP Fellow of Information Privacy
CISA, CIPM, CIPP/C, PbD Ambassador
@PrivacyCDN https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN & Privacist

On 29 December 2016 at 14:11, Samuel Shifterovich notifications@github.com
wrote:

one suspects that visitors to the privacytools.io website may not be a
'normal' sample of the population

Which isn't supposed to be true.

Quoting software criteria:

Open Source

Cross-platform

Easy to use

Privacy respecting

We're trying to focus on 'normal' sample of the population.

—
You are receiving this because you were mentioned.
Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub
https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/138#issuecomment-269678074,
or mute the thread
https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADTJ9l4XiWCIOSplM3TtPm9aon0zy3FQks5rNAXngaJpZM4LXwnA
.

--

This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager.
This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the
individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not
disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender
immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and
delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient
you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any
action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly
prohibited.

I'm not disagreeing with the intent or the focus, nor do I disagree with your assessment of the quote. John Wunderlich, BA, MBA IAPP Fellow of Information Privacy CISA, CIPM, CIPP/C, PbD Ambassador @PrivacyCDN <https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN> & Privacist On 29 December 2016 at 14:11, Samuel Shifterovich <notifications@github.com> wrote: > one suspects that visitors to the privacytools.io website may not be a > 'normal' sample of the population > > Which isn't supposed to be true. > > Quoting software criteria: > > > - Open Source > - Cross-platform > - *Easy to use* > - Privacy respecting > > We're trying to focus on 'normal' sample of the population. > > — > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/138#issuecomment-269678074>, > or mute the thread > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADTJ9l4XiWCIOSplM3TtPm9aon0zy3FQks5rNAXngaJpZM4LXwnA> > . > -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

privacytoolsIO commented

2016-12-30 03:40:17 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

I agree. It's time for a change.

What do you think about explaining the fact that people act differently and enjoy less freedom while they are being recorded and monitored?

Like give an example: Did someone ever video tape you without asking you while you were talking? How did it feel? Did it change the whole nature of conversation? Were you uncomfortable? Now imagine everything you do online is being recorded by private and state organizations.

I'm bad at this but I hope you get the idea.

I agree. It's time for a change. What do you think about explaining the fact that people act differently and enjoy less freedom while they are being recorded and monitored? Like give an example: Did someone ever video tape you without asking you while you were talking? How did it feel? Did it change the whole nature of conversation? Were you uncomfortable? Now imagine everything you do online is being recorded by private and state organizations. I'm bad at this but I hope you get the idea.

PrivacyCDN commented

2016-12-30 15:50:36 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

Burung:

What you are talking about is the 'chilling effect' of surveillance. There
is good research and validation of this. For example see
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2412564

John Wunderlich, BA, MBA

IAPP Fellow of Information Privacy
CISA, CIPM, CIPP/C, PbD Ambassador
@PrivacyCDN https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN & Privacist

On 29 December 2016 at 22:40, Burung Hantu notifications@github.com wrote:

I agree. It's time for a change.

What do you think about explaining the fact that people act differently
and enjoy less freedom while they are being recorded and monitored?

Like give an example: Did someone ever video tape you without asking you
while you were talking? How did it feel? Did it change the whole nature of
conversation? Were you uncomfortable? Now imagine everything you do online
is being recorded by private and state organizations.

I'm bad at this but I hope you get the idea.

—
You are receiving this because you were mentioned.
Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub
https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/138#issuecomment-269728323,
or mute the thread
https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADTJ9pHDXxHEOcSifSMmvvU_Y_pinfuhks5rNH0igaJpZM4LXwnA
.

--

This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager.
This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the
individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not
disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender
immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and
delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient
you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any
action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly
prohibited.

Burung: What you are talking about is the 'chilling effect' of surveillance. There is good research and validation of this. For example see https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2412564 John Wunderlich, BA, MBA IAPP Fellow of Information Privacy CISA, CIPM, CIPP/C, PbD Ambassador @PrivacyCDN <https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN> & Privacist On 29 December 2016 at 22:40, Burung Hantu <notifications@github.com> wrote: > I agree. It's time for a change. > > What do you think about explaining the fact that people act differently > and enjoy less freedom while they are being recorded and monitored? > > Like give an example: Did someone ever video tape you without asking you > while you were talking? How did it feel? Did it change the whole nature of > conversation? Were you uncomfortable? Now imagine everything you do online > is being recorded by private and state organizations. > > I'm bad at this but I hope you get the idea. > > — > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/138#issuecomment-269728323>, > or mute the thread > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADTJ9pHDXxHEOcSifSMmvvU_Y_pinfuhks5rNH0igaJpZM4LXwnA> > . > -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

👍 1

ghost commented

2016-12-30 20:07:53 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

@privacytoolsIO I agree. We just need something that people can relate to.

Atavic commented

2017-01-30 01:02:35 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ Article 12.

Moreover Electronic Frontier Foundation and its long history tell alot.

> No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ Article 12. Moreover [Electronic Frontier Foundation](https://www.eff.org/) and its long [history](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Frontier_Foundation) tell alot.

ghost commented

2017-01-30 16:42:08 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

This could be quoted somewhere, but it doesn't explain what privacy is - which is the focus, as most people don't understand it and go with the "I have nothing to hide" argument.

Atavic commented

2017-01-31 02:16:28 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

Privacy is the right to keep my personal info and my own data private.

MS Windows 10 EULA states that

Your privacy is important to us.

Microsoft collects, uses and discloses personal information as described here. This allows One Drive data, Cortana searches and MS browser history to be sold to third parties for cash.

I value my privacy and I do not want my info to be sold by microsoft corporation.

**Privacy is the right to keep my personal info and my own data private.** [MS Windows 10 EULA]( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/OEM/Windows/10/UseTerms_OEM_Windows_10_English.htm) states that > Your privacy is important to us. Microsoft collects, uses and discloses personal information as described [here](https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement). This allows One Drive data, Cortana searches and MS browser history to be sold to third parties for cash. I value my privacy and I do not want my info to be sold by microsoft corporation.

privacytoolsIO commented

2019-04-02 03:21:18 +00:00

(Migrated from github.com)

#188

This repo is archived. You cannot comment on issues.