✨ Feature Suggestion | Documents for the "real" world #1302

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2019-09-12T08:14:28Z

Niubbo commented

2019-09-12 08:14:28 +00:00

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Description:

Privacytools it's a great website where people already know we have a problem in the data business era, and allow us to search for solutions and answers, but what about other people?
I think we should create some documents to be presentation friendly, where some individual or collective privacy acrivists can propose a talk to schools or community, to spread the voice about it, providing source documentation, like a pdf from wall street journal about cambridge analytica and every evil stuff made by corporations with a little explanation and proof provided by source (pdf from wsj and link i.e.).
Should be welcome if there is some hacker there to make some proof of concept about how bad could be installing every kind of app on a phone, and what could do a malicious app with all the permission, i.e. just to explain what a closed source app like whatsapp could gather from our smartphones.

This documents should be easy to understood and must be incisive, to fight the real big enemy in this kind of discussion, the convenience. Because if you ever talked with someone probably you noticed usually the discussion end in "yes you are right that's tremendous" but the guy do not change his habit, and everything continue like you never talked, so a last chapter should contain solutions, i mean people do not really need whatsapp, but need to comunicate, and there are better solutions, like xmpp, or mastondon instead of facebook etc.
Talking with people in my experience i noticed the most difficult things to let them swap is whatsapp because it's very widespread, so generally speaking what this project should aim for are

Explain with proof why facebook, google, apple and closed source in general are bad, so what they already done and their business model
If possible experimental tool, where you could install the apk in a voluntary phone and let him see i.e. connected to the same wifi, to hack him and show everyone what an installed app could do. Any other kind of experiment are welcome too, my goal there is to let them see in the real world what i was meaning talking before and why fb, google, wa are free as free beer, because the data i stole in the experiment are their gold.
What this data could be used for? To make a detailed profile of us for advertisement, this profile could be also used in the future by our assurance (some example are needed, imagine someone posts or just have photos on smartphone where you drink a lot, probably your car assurance will charge what you have to pay) or when we looking for a job (another examples are needed), and others scenario are welcome, this part should be started talking about our childrens future, and that's because we have to protect them, when the data is stored coudn't be deleted, so all this data could condition their future
Alternative, after explaining them and showing them what's the truth about big data corps, it's important to give them a choice about alternative, what i suggest for alternative is something decentralized i.e. xmpp and matrix ( i read about matrix issue, but afaik they are working to fix, and anyway is still better than whatsapp)

Why this is important and should be on top priority?
Because we need to wake up more people possible, for them but also for ourself, you already know how hard is to convert people from whatsapp to something else, or just to say them to don't post your picture on fb or istagram, so more people know why we are taking different choice, easier will be to live in our community.
I don't wanna talk about politics, but in the last 2 years happened in a couple of states that a revolt against a dictator was suppressed because they used wrong apps to communicate each other, so i feel this job should help to keep the people freedom and democracy alive as possible

## Description: Privacytools it's a great website where people already know we have a problem in the data business era, and allow us to search for solutions and answers, but what about other people? I think we should create some documents to be presentation friendly, where some individual or collective privacy acrivists can propose a talk to schools or community, to spread the voice about it, providing source documentation, like a pdf from wall street journal about cambridge analytica and every evil stuff made by corporations with a little explanation and proof provided by source (pdf from wsj and link i.e.). Should be welcome if there is some hacker there to make some proof of concept about how bad could be installing every kind of app on a phone, and what could do a malicious app with all the permission, i.e. just to explain what a closed source app like whatsapp could gather from our smartphones. This documents should be easy to understood and must be incisive, to fight the real big enemy in this kind of discussion, the convenience. Because if you ever talked with someone probably you noticed usually the discussion end in "yes you are right that's tremendous" but the guy do not change his habit, and everything continue like you never talked, so a last chapter should contain solutions, i mean people do not really need whatsapp, but need to comunicate, and there are better solutions, like xmpp, or mastondon instead of facebook etc. Talking with people in my experience i noticed the most difficult things to let them swap is whatsapp because it's very widespread, so generally speaking what this project should aim for are 1) Explain with proof why facebook, google, apple and closed source in general are bad, so what they already done and their business model 2) If possible experimental tool, where you could install the apk in a voluntary phone and let him see i.e. connected to the same wifi, to hack him and show everyone what an installed app could do. Any other kind of experiment are welcome too, my goal there is to let them see in the real world what i was meaning talking before and why fb, google, wa are free as free beer, because the data i stole in the experiment are their gold. 3) What this data could be used for? To make a detailed profile of us for advertisement, this profile could be also used in the future by our assurance (some example are needed, imagine someone posts or just have photos on smartphone where you drink a lot, probably your car assurance will charge what you have to pay) or when we looking for a job (another examples are needed), and others scenario are welcome, this part should be started talking about our childrens future, and that's because we have to protect them, when the data is stored coudn't be deleted, so all this data could condition their future 4) Alternative, after explaining them and showing them what's the truth about big data corps, it's important to give them a choice about alternative, what i suggest for alternative is something decentralized i.e. xmpp and matrix ( i read about matrix issue, but afaik they are working to fix, and anyway is still better than whatsapp) Why this is important and should be on top priority? Because we need to wake up more people possible, for them but also for ourself, you already know how hard is to convert people from whatsapp to something else, or just to say them to don't post your picture on fb or istagram, so more people know why we are taking different choice, easier will be to live in our community. I don't wanna talk about politics, but in the last 2 years happened in a couple of states that a revolt against a dictator was suppressed because they used wrong apps to communicate each other, so i feel this job should help to keep the people freedom and democracy alive as possible

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blacklight447 commented

2019-09-12 11:34:40 +00:00

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What would you exactly see as the end goal here, advocate about privacy and campaigns to let more people know about privacytools.io? or just making presentations of why privacy is important in general?

Niubbo commented

2019-09-12 16:00:48 +00:00

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The end goal is to have a documentation with libreoffice impress i.e. where people like us who know what big tech corps do in the digital era, could use if they want to became a privacy activist on his community, to explain to other people (in schools for parents and students) and other events what big tech company are doing, their business model, why they should care and what they can do. This is not just about privacytools.io or general privacy, but privacy in the digital era.
Of course privacytools.io it's a great place for people who want to change their habits, so i think it should be in the document, but the document itself should be a resource to help people to talk about it with pdf/photo from important journals that will help to demostrate that what we are saying is real and no a cospiracy theory

The end goal is to have a documentation with libreoffice impress i.e. where people like us who know what big tech corps do in the digital era, could use if they want to became a privacy activist on his community, to explain to other people (in schools for parents and students) and other events what big tech company are doing, their business model, why they should care and what they can do. This is not just about privacytools.io or general privacy, but privacy in the digital era. Of course privacytools.io it's a great place for people who want to change their habits, so i think it should be in the document, but the document itself should be a resource to help people to talk about it with pdf/photo from important journals that will help to demostrate that what we are saying is real and no a cospiracy theory

Atavic commented

2019-09-14 00:24:02 +00:00

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Great idea! Let's say I'm on privacytools site and a friend asks me what does the site do? I could tell him to download a pdf file that works as an intro, just a few pages with cold facts about:

the centralization of the net
the commercial use of big data
Proprietary Software vs Open Source

Great idea! Let's say I'm on privacytools site and a friend asks me what does the site do? I could tell him to download a pdf file that works as an intro, just a few pages with cold facts about: - the centralization of the net - the commercial use of big data - Proprietary Software vs Open Source

Mikaela commented

2019-09-14 09:31:02 +00:00

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I think that makes https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/987 somewhat related.

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Reference: privacyguides/privacytools.io#1302