❌ Software Removal | Orange Website #1259
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Proposed Removed Software
Reasons/Summary
Non-free/Proprietary Code
Over Priced[1]
There are better alternatives
Overall list of reasons why they aren't the best or only service
Software's Information:
Name: Orange Websites
URL: https://www.orangewebsite.com/
Discussion: https://forum.privacytools.io/t/discussion-orange-website/343
Removal Discussion: https://forum.privacytools.io/t/orange-website-software-removal/1365b
Description
Proprietary Code
The first and foremost reason to remove Orange Websites is that they use and recommend non-free software. Generally speaking, this is bad. However, in this instance it might have full access to the server. I personally, only use free/libre software on my VPSes. Most users do not need these services.
Note: I would also like to note that cPanel is not a monopoly.
https://alternativeto.net/software/cpanel/
Cost
The second reason is cost. Orange Website starts selling VPSes at ~30 USD/month.
This is significantly above competing websites like 1984 Hosting.
Other
There is also the concept that Orange Website might not host as high-quality products as competitors. For instance, it is unclear if they host their servers of if they are hosted by their partners Oval Host and Advania.
You forgot about _____! Feedback is welcome.
Related Issues:
Replacing orange website with 1984 hosting would seem in place. Thoughts?
@blacklight447-ptio I haven't been using 1984 for very long but they seem to run a very good ship.
They seem to be large supports of free/libre software:
They are also used by some popular software projects like Hyperbola:
There are couple small warnings with their provider.
For instance, I cannot find their logging policy:
https://1984hosting.com/tos/
Plus, their online console doesn't work in the TOR browser (WebRTC ? )
Note: I am not certain if these are of any concern to PTIO, but thought it would be worth bringing up.
Orange Website appeared to have these issues as well.
Related to #1196, 1984 hosting doesn't mention eco friendliness while Orange does. I have no experience with either though and I would be fine with #1196 blocking hosting providers until done.
I propose closing this due to inactivity.
Related to the environmental side, it is now stated in 1984’s about page that they commit to use ‘only electricity from renewable energy sources and placing emphasis on reaching the highest possible energy utilization efficiency levels.’
I followed PrivacyTools recommendation and went first for Orange. I was very disappointed because they charged additional fees when paying by bank transfer and it was not possible to pay by credit card without a PayPal account. I know that either way is not privacy-friendly but I found it tricky to charge on their side a fee for bank transfers while this wasn’t stated in their Terms of Service.
I eventually canceled and tried 1984 for a shared hosting plan for my personal website. I’m quite happy about it so far. And, since they advocate for software freedom, civil rights and green energy, I’m rooting for them to be included on PrivacyTools.
Closed see: https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/pull/1992