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❌ Software Removal | Orange Website #1259

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opened 2019-09-02 04:55:47 +00:00 by ggg27 · 6 comments
ggg27 commented 2019-09-02 04:55:47 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Proposed Removed Software

Reasons/Summary

  1. Non-free/Proprietary Code

  2. Over Priced[1]

  3. There are better alternatives
    Overall list of reasons why they aren't the best or only service

Software's Information:

Name: Orange Websites
URL: https://www.orangewebsite.com/

Discussion: https://forum.privacytools.io/t/discussion-orange-website/343
Removal Discussion: https://forum.privacytools.io/t/orange-website-software-removal/1365b

Description

Proprietary Code

The first and foremost reason to remove Orange Websites is that they use and recommend non-free software. Generally speaking, this is bad. However, in this instance it might have full access to the server. I personally, only use free/libre software on my VPSes. Most users do not need these services.

Note: I would also like to note that cPanel is not a monopoly.
https://alternativeto.net/software/cpanel/

Cost

The second reason is cost. Orange Website starts selling VPSes at ~30 USD/month.
This is significantly above competing websites like 1984 Hosting.

Other

There is also the concept that Orange Website might not host as high-quality products as competitors. For instance, it is unclear if they host their servers of if they are hosted by their partners Oval Host and Advania.

You forgot about _____! Feedback is welcome.

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# Proposed Removed Software #### Reasons/Summary 1. Non-free/Proprietary Code 2. Over Priced[[1](https://forum.privacytools.io/t/orange-website-software-removal/1365/2)] 3. There are better alternatives Overall list of reasons why they aren't the best or only service #### Software's Information: **Name**: Orange Websites **URL**: https://www.orangewebsite.com/ **Discussion**: https://forum.privacytools.io/t/discussion-orange-website/343 **Removal Discussion**: https://forum.privacytools.io/t/orange-website-software-removal/1365b ______________ # Description ### Proprietary Code The first and foremost reason to remove Orange Websites is that they use and recommend [non-free software](https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-free_software). Generally speaking, this is bad. However, in this instance it might have full access to the server. I personally, only use free/libre software on my VPSes. Most users do not need these services. - https://www.orangewebsite.com/partners.php **Note**: I would also like to note that cPanel is not a monopoly. https://alternativeto.net/software/cpanel/ ### Cost The second reason is cost. Orange Website starts selling VPSes at ~30 USD/month. This is significantly above competing websites like 1984 Hosting. ### Other There is also the concept that Orange Website might not host as high-quality products as competitors. For instance, it is unclear if they host their servers of if they are hosted by their partners [Oval Host](https://www.ovalhost.com/) and [Advania](https://advania.is/). ____________ **You forgot about _____!** Feedback is welcome. _______________ **Related Issues**: - https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/1196 - https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/1181
blacklight447 commented 2019-09-06 11:00:28 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Replacing orange website with 1984 hosting would seem in place. Thoughts?

Replacing orange website with 1984 hosting would seem in place. Thoughts?
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ggg27 commented 2019-09-10 00:27:39 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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@blacklight447-ptio I haven't been using 1984 for very long but they seem to run a very good ship.

They seem to be large supports of free/libre software:

1984 commits to using Free Software wherever possible.
- About Page (3)

They are also used by some popular software projects like Hyperbola:

There are couple small warnings with their provider.
For instance, I cannot find their logging policy:
https://1984hosting.com/tos/

Plus, their online console doesn't work in the TOR browser (WebRTC ? )

Note: I am not certain if these are of any concern to PTIO, but thought it would be worth bringing up.
Orange Website appeared to have these issues as well.

@blacklight447-ptio I haven't been using 1984 for very long but they seem to run a very good ship. ______________ They seem to be large supports of free/libre software: > 1984 commits to using Free Software wherever possible. > `-` [About Page (3)](https://archive.is/J8Euy) They are also used by some popular software projects like Hyperbola: - https://www.hyperbola.info/news/site-maintenance/ ([archived](https://archive.is/WCO9M)) ______________________ ______________________ There are couple small warnings with their provider. For instance, I cannot find their logging policy: https://1984hosting.com/tos/ Plus, their online console doesn't work in the TOR browser (WebRTC **?** ) Note: I am not certain if these are of any concern to PTIO, but thought it would be worth bringing up. Orange Website _appeared_ to have these issues as well.
Mikaela commented 2019-09-30 18:51:15 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Related to #1196, 1984 hosting doesn't mention eco friendliness while Orange does. I have no experience with either though and I would be fine with #1196 blocking hosting providers until done.

Related to #1196, 1984 hosting doesn't mention eco friendliness while Orange does. I have no experience with either though and I would be fine with #1196 blocking hosting providers until done. * https://www.orangewebsite.com/green-hosting.php
Mikaela commented 2019-11-04 11:36:51 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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I propose closing this due to inactivity.

I propose closing this due to inactivity.
ghost commented 2020-01-21 15:08:55 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Related to #1196, 1984 hosting doesn't mention eco friendliness while Orange does. I have no experience with either though and I would be fine with #1196 blocking hosting providers until done.

* https://www.orangewebsite.com/green-hosting.php

Related to the environmental side, it is now stated in 1984’s about page that they commit to use ‘only electricity from renewable energy sources and placing emphasis on reaching the highest possible energy utilization efficiency levels.’

I followed PrivacyTools recommendation and went first for Orange. I was very disappointed because they charged additional fees when paying by bank transfer and it was not possible to pay by credit card without a PayPal account. I know that either way is not privacy-friendly but I found it tricky to charge on their side a fee for bank transfers while this wasn’t stated in their Terms of Service.

I eventually canceled and tried 1984 for a shared hosting plan for my personal website. I’m quite happy about it so far. And, since they advocate for software freedom, civil rights and green energy, I’m rooting for them to be included on PrivacyTools.

> Related to #1196, 1984 hosting doesn't mention eco friendliness while Orange does. I have no experience with either though and I would be fine with #1196 blocking hosting providers until done. > > * https://www.orangewebsite.com/green-hosting.php Related to the environmental side, it is now stated in 1984’s [about page](https://www.1984.is/about/) that they commit to use ‘only electricity from renewable energy sources and placing emphasis on reaching the highest possible energy utilization efficiency levels.’ I followed PrivacyTools recommendation and went first for Orange. I was very disappointed because they charged additional fees when paying by bank transfer and it was not possible to pay by credit card without a PayPal account. I know that either way is not privacy-friendly but I found it tricky to charge on their side a fee for bank transfers while this wasn’t stated in their Terms of Service. I eventually canceled and tried 1984 for a shared hosting plan for my personal website. I’m quite happy about it so far. And, since they advocate for software freedom, civil rights and green energy, I’m rooting for them to be included on PrivacyTools.
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dngray commented 2020-12-22 03:15:25 +00:00 (Migrated from github.com)
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Closed see: https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/pull/1992

Closed see: https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/pull/1992
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Reference: privacyguides/privacytools.io#1259